Debat og råd om TV-skærme. Alt hvad der handler om køb og brug af fladskærme

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Af jones31
#184948
Leviathan skrev:
jones31 skrev:Køb du vil ikke fortryde. Du for et fantastisk billed. Du kan ikke få mere ud af plasma ud også derfor man stopper dem næste år fra pana. Sort niveauet kommet så langt ned, at det et det bedste du for fra dem nu og dele z modellen men så kun kommer i ikke så mange eksemplar.
Øh, det er da noget sludder, du skriver. For det første aner vi jo ikke endnu, om de nu er så gode, som plasma kan være. På sidste års modeller led mange af deres modeller af ir og/eller burn-in. Det ved vi reelt ikke om dette års modeller også gør. Jeg ville vente på at høre brugernes vurdering på dette område, før jeg turde købe en 2013 model fra Panasonic.

For det andet, så stopper Panasonic med at udvikle på plasma, fordi de i flere år har tabt penge på deres plasmaskærme, hvilket jo ikke er holdbart i længden. Men jo de vil helt sikkert give et godt billede ift. konkurrenterne på fladskærmsmarkedet, men så meget bedre end andre er de trods alt ikke. Hvis ikke de fixer deres problemer med ir/burn-in på dette års modeller, ser Samsungs modeller mere tiltalende ud, efter min mening. Hvis de derimod får det fixet, ja så har ved en ny reference :)
Self spiller penge ind, japanerne kan ikke følge med koreanerne. Men de kan ikke få mere ud af det de har kunnet med z modellen. Den har virkelig et fantastisk billed og sort niveau bedre end Pioneer kuro.

Samsung har lige så mange fejl på deres tv, alt for mange går i stykker.
Af PeterD
#184953
Enig mht Samsung!!

Det kan godt være nogle Pana buzzer, men "en slag med tasken" er at Samsung tv oftere end andre mærker skal til reparation...

Måske kører deres fabrikker lidt for hurtigt for dem...?
Af lgowner
#184955
jones31 skrev:Self spiller penge ind, japanerne kan ikke følge med koreanerne. Men de kan ikke få mere ud af det de har kunnet med z modellen. Den har virkelig et fantastisk billed og sort niveau bedre end Pioneer kuro.
Tror du selv, at noget firma på hele jorden med bare lidt fornuft og lyst til at tjene penge, lukker for pengeposen og stopper produktionen af en muligt sællert fordi de ikke kan gøre det bedre på plasma billedet??? Stoppede ferrari , da de måske ikke kunne præstere bedre? skuespillere stopper da heller ikke, fordi de ikke kan, bare se expendables 2 ;-)

Nah, hvis noget firma som havde success med et produkt og tjente penge, stoppede og lukkede for produktionen fordi, vi er er for smart og må stoppe. Så er det vist noget galt et andet sted i hovedet på den ledelse. og det er der ikke, de har bare hul i lommerne og vil gerne lukke det inden ledelsen må gå af , når aktieejerne så dem tabe formuer på en døende race.
Af jones31
#184963
lgowner skrev:
jones31 skrev:Self spiller penge ind, japanerne kan ikke følge med koreanerne. Men de kan ikke få mere ud af det de har kunnet med z modellen. Den har virkelig et fantastisk billed og sort niveau bedre end Pioneer kuro.
Tror du selv, at noget firma på hele jorden med bare lidt fornuft og lyst til at tjene penge, lukker for pengeposen og stopper produktionen af en muligt sællert fordi de ikke kan gøre det bedre på plasma billedet??? Stoppede ferrari , da de måske ikke kunne præstere bedre? skuespillere stopper da heller ikke, fordi de ikke kan, bare se expendables 2 ;-)

Nah, hvis noget firma som havde success med et produkt og tjente penge, stoppede og lukkede for produktionen fordi, vi er er for smart og må stoppe. Så er det vist noget galt et andet sted i hovedet på den ledelse. og det er der ikke, de har bare hul i lommerne og vil gerne lukke det inden ledelsen må gå af , når aktieejerne så dem tabe formuer på en døende race.

Pana sælger jo heller ikke nok skærme vel, slet ikke plasma i forhold til led. Derfor må de gå led og Oled vejen
Af PeterD
#184974
Desværre er det blevet et FORKERT billede i branchen.

Alle firmaer vil gerne spare penge, derfor satses der på LCD/LED skærme og man går væk fra plasmaproduktionen, da denne vel er dyrere at udvikle end LCD skærm..

Fis i en hornlygte med at de er mere milijøvenlige...Hvorfor skulle jeg skåne på miljøet ved at købe en LED skærm og måske spare 200 kr. om året i strøm (WU-HUU!!), når lastbiler og fabrikker i Danmark, Østeuropa og Asien kører uden partikelfilter og sviner luften til...?

Ida Auken sender dig nok en venlig tanke...Kælling!

Desuden skal der "gøres plads" til OLED som, på sigt (forhåbentlig) vil overtage markedet for Plasma som teknologien der giver dig det bedste billede.

Desværre bliver der nok forskel i OLED skærmene. Vi ser sikkert nogle fabrikanter lave bedre OLED skærme med bedre farver, betragningsvikler, bedre hudtoner, bedre "opløsning" end andre...

Men nu må vi se. Nu skal de første 42-50" lige lande på markedet, og til en pris folk kan være med på 7-8-10.000 kr...

Der går nok lige en 3-4 år endnu før vi ser dem bredt representeret i Fona, Elgiganten etc..Men det ville være lækkert hvis de teknologien er moden før..
#184978
Jeg regner nu ikke med at oled teknologien er modnet før vi får 2 generation af dem m en 5-6 år.

Kunne aldrig finde på at købe første gen af en helt ny teknologi, jeg forestiller mig at børne sygdommene kommer væltende når de først bliver sat i masse produktion.

Tror heller ikke de er betalelige før om en håndfuld år.
#184980
OLED skærme bliver til skyhøje priser hvor den almindelig forbruger ikke kan være med.

Og de høje prise vil ikke falde markant i lang tid, som man ser det sidst på året med led.

Så må man se hvor længe de holder til det.
Af Sjavse
#185001
PeterD skrev:Enig mht Samsung!!

Det kan godt være nogle Pana buzzer, men "en slag med tasken" er at Samsung tv oftere end andre mærker skal til reparation...

Måske kører deres fabrikker lidt for hurtigt for dem...?

Har du noget belæg for din udtalelse omkring Samsung er hyppigere til reparation?

Samsung er det mest solgte mærke indenfor tv, så det er vel ikke så mærkeligt at der er flere Samsung modeller til reparation?...
Af PeterD
#185004
More Than 7 Million Samsung TVs Plagued By Possible Power Defect"

MIAMI (CBS4) – TV on! TV off! That’s what most of us expect a new TV to do. Phil Heermance certainly did when he bought his 40-inch Samsung LCD TV in 2009.

“About a-year-and-a-half into owning the TV, it started acting up,” Heermance told CBS4′ Chief Consumer Investigator Al Sunshine.

He told Sunshine that it acted erratic… not always coming on… or taking long periods to power up. That was the same complaint thousands of Samsung owners described on the Internet. Their “nearly new” Samsung TV…” was taking 30-seconds, then 30-minutes, or even longer to come on.


So you try to turn it on and what happened after a while?” asked Sunshine.

“It would just not come on at all,” replied Heermance.

Because his manufacturers warranty had expired, Heermance figured Samsung wouldn’t help… so he paid $150 to get it fixed on his own.

TV repairman, Cliff Van Allen, showed CBS4 the tiny part causing so many Samsung TV power failures. It’s called a “capacitor.” Basically, it’s a power storage device.

“It’s not because it’s an inferior product. It’s because the voltage (on the capacitor) is not enough to do the job, said Van Allen, who owns Video Cleaning Repair in Miami.

Rosemary’s shop has also seen a wave of Samsung capacitor problems.

“The power boards are made with capacitors that don’t hold up,” Rosemary said.

Capacitors are only a $3 to $6 part. So cheap, “Fix It Youself” videos are even on YouTube

“It seemed to be a common problem and I was surprised to hear that,” said Heermance, who owns other Samsung products.

Class Action Lawsuits have been filed in New Jersey, California and Oklahoma. Although Samsung wouldn’t tell us how many TVs are affected… CBS4 Investigates obtained an Oklahoma Court document from a hearing on February 1, 2012. It quotes Samsung’s attorney, Phillip G. Whaley, telling the court…

“Well, I think there’ll be as many as seven-and-a-half million of them out there. So it could be a big class.” (class action lawsuit).

A Samsung statement sent to CBS4 said…

“A small percentage of certain models of Samsung televisions have experienced performance issues caused by a component called a capacitor. Since originally confirming this issue in early 2010, Samsung has voluntarily provided free repairs for U.S. customers with affected televisions.

As the leading supplier of televisions in the United States, we remain committed to delivering superior technology and excellent service to our loyal customers. We encourage our customers to call 1-800-SAMSUNG if they experience any problems with Samsung products.

We have recently reached a preliminary settlement, subject to court approval, for a nationwide resolution of a related class action lawsuit in the District Court of Oklahoma County in the state of Oklahoma. Under the settlement, Samsung will continue to offer the free repairs that have already been extended to affected consumers. A second class action lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey in late 2010, has been administratively terminated by that court.”

- Samsung Electronics America

Click Here To Read Preliminary List of Samsung Models

“Thank God there are people out there who say, ‘I’m not taking that!’ I paid my money. It should not die in 2-years,” said Van Allen.



Rosemary added, “I don’t fault the sellers. I fault the manufacturers. The manufacturers have to know that they’re putting crap out there. I can tell you that it’s not only Samsung.”

As our repair techs point out, no matter what brand of TV you buy, today’s TVs aren’t being made to last long.

Remember your mom and dad’s TV that lasted 15, even 20-years? They were big, boxy and remarkably reliable. Well today’s TV is NOT your parents TV.

Rosemary demonstrated using a 2009 big screen TV. As she knocked on the TV screen as if she were knocking on a door… she exclaimed, “Paper!”

Then she knocked on the screen of a 1998 TV.

“Tempered glass. You need a hammer to break that.”

She also showed us a TV that recently came into her shop and can’t be repaired. It was bought on Black Friday just two months ago. According to Rosemary, while moving it, the owner used her shoulder to brace it. The indentation on the screen is the result of a tender-leaning shoulder and nothing more.

“You buy a 50-inch Plasma set, you probably paid $4,000 to $5,000, and you’re looking two to three years after, and you can’t fix it? Ridiculous!” Rosemary declared.

In the TV graveyards that exist at both repair shops CBS4 visited, there were stacks of expensive TVs… abandoned for what can only be called “pre-mature failure,” according to our repair techs.

“I don’t think a panel should be bad in 2 1/2 years! A panel shouldn’t be bad in 10-years. But it is,” Van Allen told us as he showed us big screen TV.

And Samsung’s not alone. Another TV was left by its owner at Cliff’s shop. Why? The repair would be more than the original cost of the TV.

“This thing should be on the guy’s wall still,” Van Allen lamented.

“In my opinion,” said Rosemary, “basically the TVs today are obsolete after two years because the parts are changed.”

That’s right. According to our CBS4 investigation, only five states require manufacturers to make parts available longer than two to three years. Those states are California, Connecticut, Indiana, Rhode Island and New Hampshire… NOT Florida.

But consumers aren’t blameless noted Van Allen. “You know, everyone wants the latest and greatest and they don’t think… will this last?”

It’s not just Samsung. Most television manufacturers have had all kinds of issues with Plasma TVs, DLP TVs, LCD TVs… and now repair shops tell CBS4 Investigates, they are bracing for customers buying the new LED TVs

Additional Statements from Samsung Electronics America:

On February 1, 2012, preliminary approval was officially granted on the settlement of Russell, et al. v. Samsung Electronics America, Inc., in the District Court of Oklahoma County in the state of Oklahoma. A similar lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey in late 2010, was administratively dismissed by the court.

The Oklahoma settlement reaffirms that Samsung’s efforts to voluntarily repair affected products for consumers since early 2010, have been appropriate for the situation. In addition, Samsung will compensate any consumers who have already made repairs at their own expense. A nationwide announcement will be made in the coming weeks explaining the steps consumers need to take if they believe they have an affected product. For your information and reference we have attached the summary notice of that decision, which has been on the public record since the settlement was reached.

As the leading supplier of televisions in the United States we remain committed to delivering superior technology and excellent service to our loyal customers. We encourage our customers to call 1-800-SAMSUNG if they experience any problems with Samsung products.

“The problem does not affect current models so there is no need to contact retailers.”

“Affected consumers will receive a notice as provided for in the settlement agreement, once approved by the court. Per Samsung’s standard policy, in-home repairs are offered for all sizes above 32”. For 32” and smaller, products must be shipped to NJ, but Samsung will cover all costs (in both directions).”

“Also, once the settlement is approved a process will be put into place to compensate consumers who have already paid for a repair.”

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/02/09/mo ... er-defect/

Du vil alligevel ikke tro mig. Så det kan være lige meget....Køb du et Samsung. Du får nok et tilbud alligevel...Vær glad for det og kryds fingre....

Billig betyder ikke bedre...

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Penge/2011/05/11/065403.htm
Af Sjavse
#185011
PeterD skrev:More Than 7 Million Samsung TVs Plagued By Possible Power Defect"

MIAMI (CBS4) – TV on! TV off! That’s what most of us expect a new TV to do. Phil Heermance certainly did when he bought his 40-inch Samsung LCD TV in 2009.

“About a-year-and-a-half into owning the TV, it started acting up,” Heermance told CBS4′ Chief Consumer Investigator Al Sunshine.

He told Sunshine that it acted erratic… not always coming on… or taking long periods to power up. That was the same complaint thousands of Samsung owners described on the Internet. Their “nearly new” Samsung TV…” was taking 30-seconds, then 30-minutes, or even longer to come on.


So you try to turn it on and what happened after a while?” asked Sunshine.

“It would just not come on at all,” replied Heermance.

Because his manufacturers warranty had expired, Heermance figured Samsung wouldn’t help… so he paid $150 to get it fixed on his own.

TV repairman, Cliff Van Allen, showed CBS4 the tiny part causing so many Samsung TV power failures. It’s called a “capacitor.” Basically, it’s a power storage device.

“It’s not because it’s an inferior product. It’s because the voltage (on the capacitor) is not enough to do the job, said Van Allen, who owns Video Cleaning Repair in Miami.

Rosemary’s shop has also seen a wave of Samsung capacitor problems.

“The power boards are made with capacitors that don’t hold up,” Rosemary said.

Capacitors are only a $3 to $6 part. So cheap, “Fix It Youself” videos are even on YouTube

“It seemed to be a common problem and I was surprised to hear that,” said Heermance, who owns other Samsung products.

Class Action Lawsuits have been filed in New Jersey, California and Oklahoma. Although Samsung wouldn’t tell us how many TVs are affected… CBS4 Investigates obtained an Oklahoma Court document from a hearing on February 1, 2012. It quotes Samsung’s attorney, Phillip G. Whaley, telling the court…

“Well, I think there’ll be as many as seven-and-a-half million of them out there. So it could be a big class.” (class action lawsuit).

A Samsung statement sent to CBS4 said…

“A small percentage of certain models of Samsung televisions have experienced performance issues caused by a component called a capacitor. Since originally confirming this issue in early 2010, Samsung has voluntarily provided free repairs for U.S. customers with affected televisions.

As the leading supplier of televisions in the United States, we remain committed to delivering superior technology and excellent service to our loyal customers. We encourage our customers to call 1-800-SAMSUNG if they experience any problems with Samsung products.

We have recently reached a preliminary settlement, subject to court approval, for a nationwide resolution of a related class action lawsuit in the District Court of Oklahoma County in the state of Oklahoma. Under the settlement, Samsung will continue to offer the free repairs that have already been extended to affected consumers. A second class action lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey in late 2010, has been administratively terminated by that court.”

- Samsung Electronics America

Click Here To Read Preliminary List of Samsung Models

“Thank God there are people out there who say, ‘I’m not taking that!’ I paid my money. It should not die in 2-years,” said Van Allen.



Rosemary added, “I don’t fault the sellers. I fault the manufacturers. The manufacturers have to know that they’re putting crap out there. I can tell you that it’s not only Samsung.”

As our repair techs point out, no matter what brand of TV you buy, today’s TVs aren’t being made to last long.

Remember your mom and dad’s TV that lasted 15, even 20-years? They were big, boxy and remarkably reliable. Well today’s TV is NOT your parents TV.

Rosemary demonstrated using a 2009 big screen TV. As she knocked on the TV screen as if she were knocking on a door… she exclaimed, “Paper!”

Then she knocked on the screen of a 1998 TV.

“Tempered glass. You need a hammer to break that.”

She also showed us a TV that recently came into her shop and can’t be repaired. It was bought on Black Friday just two months ago. According to Rosemary, while moving it, the owner used her shoulder to brace it. The indentation on the screen is the result of a tender-leaning shoulder and nothing more.

“You buy a 50-inch Plasma set, you probably paid $4,000 to $5,000, and you’re looking two to three years after, and you can’t fix it? Ridiculous!” Rosemary declared.

In the TV graveyards that exist at both repair shops CBS4 visited, there were stacks of expensive TVs… abandoned for what can only be called “pre-mature failure,” according to our repair techs.

“I don’t think a panel should be bad in 2 1/2 years! A panel shouldn’t be bad in 10-years. But it is,” Van Allen told us as he showed us big screen TV.

And Samsung’s not alone. Another TV was left by its owner at Cliff’s shop. Why? The repair would be more than the original cost of the TV.

“This thing should be on the guy’s wall still,” Van Allen lamented.

“In my opinion,” said Rosemary, “basically the TVs today are obsolete after two years because the parts are changed.”

That’s right. According to our CBS4 investigation, only five states require manufacturers to make parts available longer than two to three years. Those states are California, Connecticut, Indiana, Rhode Island and New Hampshire… NOT Florida.

But consumers aren’t blameless noted Van Allen. “You know, everyone wants the latest and greatest and they don’t think… will this last?”

It’s not just Samsung. Most television manufacturers have had all kinds of issues with Plasma TVs, DLP TVs, LCD TVs… and now repair shops tell CBS4 Investigates, they are bracing for customers buying the new LED TVs

Additional Statements from Samsung Electronics America:

On February 1, 2012, preliminary approval was officially granted on the settlement of Russell, et al. v. Samsung Electronics America, Inc., in the District Court of Oklahoma County in the state of Oklahoma. A similar lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey in late 2010, was administratively dismissed by the court.

The Oklahoma settlement reaffirms that Samsung’s efforts to voluntarily repair affected products for consumers since early 2010, have been appropriate for the situation. In addition, Samsung will compensate any consumers who have already made repairs at their own expense. A nationwide announcement will be made in the coming weeks explaining the steps consumers need to take if they believe they have an affected product. For your information and reference we have attached the summary notice of that decision, which has been on the public record since the settlement was reached.

As the leading supplier of televisions in the United States we remain committed to delivering superior technology and excellent service to our loyal customers. We encourage our customers to call 1-800-SAMSUNG if they experience any problems with Samsung products.

“The problem does not affect current models so there is no need to contact retailers.”

“Affected consumers will receive a notice as provided for in the settlement agreement, once approved by the court. Per Samsung’s standard policy, in-home repairs are offered for all sizes above 32”. For 32” and smaller, products must be shipped to NJ, but Samsung will cover all costs (in both directions).”

“Also, once the settlement is approved a process will be put into place to compensate consumers who have already paid for a repair.”

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/02/09/mo ... er-defect/

Du vil alligevel ikke tro mig. Så det kan være lige meget....Køb du et Samsung. Du får nok et tilbud alligevel...Vær glad for det og kryds fingre....

Billig betyder ikke bedre...

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Penge/2011/05/11/065403.htm


Jeg kan se copy/paste ikke har levet forgæves.... Det giver ingen mening at indsætte udtalelser fra forbrugere i USA, eller forhandlere der har oplevet fejl på Samsung.

For at du kan underbygge din udtalelse om at Samsung tv hyppigere kommer til reparation, så må du komme med en liste over hvor mange Samsung tv der er solgt kontra Panasonic og andre mærke, samt en opgørelse over hvor mange tv hvert mærke har haft til reparation.
Det andet fis du kommer med kan man ikke bruge til noget som helst. Hvis du ikke kan komme med beviser for dine udtalelser, ud over det ligegyldige "samtaler" du smider herind, så synes jeg du skal lade være med at komme med de kommentarer du gør.

Personligt gætter jeg på at Panasonic kun sælger en promille af hvad Samsung gør indenfor fladskærme inkl. computerskærme, og dermed tror jeg at man selvfølgelig vil se mange flere Samsung tv til reparation, men dette er min egen personlige holdning .
Af PeterD
#185016
Uanset hvad jeg havde skrevet, har du jo din holdning og den kan jeg ikke ændre på..

Jeg må da selv bestemme hvad jeg vil skrive og hvornår...Om jeg skriver at Goldstar er godt TIL MINE BEHOV ville jeg skive det. Det er jo et frit forum, med mindre det snart bliver sponsoreret af Samsung... :D


Bevares. Jeg kan ikke komme uden om at Samsung og LG sælger godt, men så må folk lade være at brokke sig når der er problemer med skærmen...

Det er ingen hemmelighed at Panasonic IKKE er fejlfri med buzz, men det samme kan siges om LED skærme..

Jeg kan godt lide et godt billede og derfor generer buzz mig ikke, men det ville et "forkert" billede med "line bleed" gøre..

Hvis du er tllfreds med Samsung, så vælg det.

Men vi kommer ikke uden om at Samsung har nogle dygtige marketingfolk, der kan bilde folk en masse ind.

Bare husk at indstille det efter flatpanels.dk' indstillinger.

Nå. Nu har vi nok endnu engang skræmt en trådstarter væk.....
#185018
PeterD skrev:Uanset hvad jeg havde skrevet, har du jo din holdning og den kan jeg ikke ændre på..

Jeg må da selv bestemme hvad jeg vil skrive og hvornår...Om jeg skriver at Goldstar er godt TIL MINE BEHOV ville jeg skive det. Det er jo et frit forum, med mindre det snart bliver sponsoreret af Samsung... :D


Bevares. Jeg kan ikke komme uden om at Samsung og LG sælger godt, men så må folk lade være at brokke sig når der er problemer med skærmen...

Det er ingen hemmelighed at Panasonic IKKE er fejlfri med buzz, men det samme kan siges om LED skærme..

Jeg kan godt lide et godt billede og derfor generer buzz mig ikke, men det ville et "forkert" billede med "line bleed" gøre..

Hvis du er tllfreds med Samsung, så vælg det.

Men vi kommer ikke uden om at Samsung har nogle dygtige marketingfolk, der kan bilde folk en masse ind.

Bare husk at indstille det efter flatpanels.dk' indstillinger.

Nå. Nu har vi nok endnu engang skræmt en trådstarter væk.....
det er jo også en god logik. køber folk samsung eller lg = ingen lov til at beklage sig. Køber man panasonic må man klage, til gengæld vil panasonic ikke gøre noget ved deres fejl. du er så farvet at det gør helt ondt. aldrig har jeg hørt en med så lidt forstand, lukke så meget fanatisk propaganda ud. Du er lige til mandrillen. tak for underholdningen.

ps undskyld til andre læsere der endnu engang bliver involveret i peterd's religion.