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Af teamet
#98534
Uha, du skal kigge lidt på dine betydende cifre..

LG har 0,0cd/m^2

KURO har 0,02cd/m^2

Hvilket har så lavest? Det bør selvfølgelig angives at LG'en måler 0,00cd/m^2 - hvad er præcisionen af dit måleudstyr? Snakker vi 0,0001 +/- 0,00005 eller ???
Af therunemeister
#98560
LG'et har den laveste værdi da det kan slukke helt for bagbelysningen i de relevante zoner. Dvs. 0 cd/m2.

Rasmus har tit nævnt at hans måleudstyr runder op ved alle værdier under 0,02cd/m2. Jeg menes at have set at Kuro ligger omkring 0,003 i andre målinger. Dvs. betydeligt lavere end de 0,02cd/m2 der rundes op til i testen.

Dog runder udstyret ikke op hvis der slet ikke kommer lys igennem, hvilket er grunden til at 0,0 cd/m2 blev vist under målingen = intet lys what-so-ever.
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Af KristofferA
#98581
Hvor ofte vil man bemærke de der LED bånd i løbet af en normal film?
Du mener ikke det kan være en dealbreaker Rasmus? :(
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Af KristofferA
#98957
Flere anmeldelser af skærmen:
Video review:
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tv ... 39p,00.htm

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/ ... umnArea2.0

Tekst.
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tv ... 2-3,00.htm

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www.avsforum.com

LG 55LE8500 calibration report/review
Recently, Chris invited me out to Cleveland Plasma to check out the sleek, new LG 55LE8500 LED LCD TV. As the replacement for the mighty LH90 series, I hoped that LG would be able to maintain or refine the core picture quality while giving the cosmetics a welcome facelift.

The LE8500 is indeed one of the thinnest and beautiful designs out there. However, it is surprisingly heavy, which gives it a sense of very high build quality. The front is covered with a glossy sheet of glass, which, while it seems to offer a high level of durability and protection, unfortunately picks up much more distinct reflections than the LH90's matte screen.

LG's latest models have included some of the most thorough calibration adjustments available, and the LE8500 continues that tradition. In addition to the normal picture adjustments, highlights include a switchable 10 point gamma/grayscale adjustment, a partial CMS adjustment that gives level and hue controls for each primary and secondary color, and new customizable TruMotion controls. There are two ISF Expert modes, which can be locked and renamed ISF Day or ISF Night; and two THX modes, called THX Cinema and THX Bright Room.

I began by measuring the LE8500's performance in the THX and ISF modes before making any adjustments. Other modes may be more watchable in some situations, though for the most part these modes give the most accurate picture. They all had an emphasis of green in the grayscale, which can impart a slightly dingy, drab look to the picture. THX Bright room was tuned pretty well for dealing with a lot of ambient light. ISF Expert would be a pretty good choice for an all purpose mode if you do not prefer to switch back and forth between day and night modes.

The LE8500 holds it's color very well off axis, so viewing angle is not as critical as it tends to be on the Sonys and Samsungs I've worked with. With those others, you loose color and contrast if you move to the sides of the couch; with the LE8500 at least the color is maintained. In addition, the LE8500 has the capability of putting out an extremely bright picture with little to no compromise in accuracy. These two characteristics mean the LE8500 will adapt well to a typical living room.

The first performance difference that I observed between the LE8500 and the LH90 was the slight horizontal lines in the LE8500's image, which showed up mostly in bright, large, solid objects. The lines appeared to be divisions between the LED backlight zones, and they were more apparent while an image was being drawn than after the image fully appeared. Most likely a result of an attempt to reduce the faint glowing or haze around objects caused by the limited number of backlight zones, they seemed to do that and more.

I also noticed the LE8500's backlight zones behave differently than the LH90's. The LE8500's firmware is apparently tuned to fully light up each zone when that zone is displaying a bright object no matter what the size; in other words, a solitary bright star in the black night would cause that zone to fully light up. Because of the increased definition between zones caused by the bands, the exact size and shape of the zone manifested itself more plainly. The LH90, on the other hand, tends not to fully illuminate each zone if only a small dot or line is displayed in the zone. It seems to be programmed to need a larger portion of the zone to be occupied with picture content before the zone is fully illuminated. That, combined with the L90's lack of sharp definition between zones, gives the two TVs a very different characteristic in dark and high contrast scenes. These artifacts are the downside to local dimming technology and are the price paid for dark, inky blacks with rich contrast on an LCD. They are only noticeable in a dark room, and overall I feel they are a small price to pay for the great blacks and contrast.

The LE8500 calibrates well, with very accurate color, gamma, and grayscale after calibration (attachment 4). An Eye One Pro or ColorMunki spectro are the least expensive tools that should be used to do a full calibration. The screen can be totally black in areas that are not displaying a picture. The 10 step adjustment and CMS controls work well. Oddly, though, I was able to measure the effects of the CMS control, even though the visible effects on real program material were virtually unnoticeable. That is not the case with the LH90, where relatively small CMS adjustments can have a big impact on perceived fleshtones and colors. I noticed the TruMotion controls, which give separate judder and blur reduction in up to 10 steps, seemed a little quirky. The judder reduction appeared to be all or nothing with my 1080P/24 test material; any setting from 1 through 10 brought on the too-smooth video look, while 0 looked jerky in comparison. I couldn't see any effect with the blur reduction, though I was looking at movie clips rather than fast moving sports. Though this may sound like a disaster, in reality it's more control than the LH90 provided; and I was perfectly satisfied with movement and pans with judder set at 1 and blur near mid point.

Granted, I've pointed out the nit picky problems I often uncover with a TV. I have yet to find a TV that didn't have one or two. What really matters to a videophile is not the little issues, but the big picture. And the big picture is what floored me about the LE8500. What I saw is probably the most three dimensional 2D image I have ever seen! Familiar scenes gave a wonderful impression of depth and dimensionality. Bright images popped out, and there was an excellent sense of contrast. Shadow detail was superb, with dark images neither sinking into black or looking washed out. Skintones were superb, with a realistic but not overdone ruddiness to faces; on the LH90 they looked just a tiny bit yellowish in comparison, though the LH90 is also excellent in this regard. I did notice, however, that there was a little more graininess in the LE8500's image than I usually see. It was soon apparent, after viewing my familiar The Dark Knight and DVE clips, that the LE8500 even beat the giant-killer LH90 in overall depth, pop, and color. While some may believe these differences are due to the glossy screen, I have compared the matte screen LH90 to the glossy Samsung B8500 without the same impressions. I have to admit I still do not like glossy screens, and I am sad to see glare resistant screen of the LH90 go. My gut feeling is that a good bit of the differences I saw were from the different tuning of the LED backlight action.

I came away with an extremely positive impression of the LE8500. While there's always a wish list of improvements, that list seems to sink into the shadows left behind by the superb image. Keep 'em coming, LG!
Af Snurrerundtlyd
#98959
therunemeister skrev:Jeg så 42" LE850N i Elgiganten i torsdags, og den HAVDE THX modes. Både en day og night setting.
Jeg var i Elgiganten i dag og legede med fjernbetjeningen og det er korrekt at der er to THX profiler:
THX Biograf
THX Bright Room


LG kunne altså godt finde ud af at oversætte til "Biograf", men det var åbenbart for svært for dem at også at oversætte til "Lyst Rum", så menuen er en værre blanding af engelsk og dansk.

Desuden har LE850N også to ISF profiler:
ISF Ekspert1
ISF Ekspert2
Af Snurrerundtlyd
#98964
Remmerboy skrev:findes der egentlig noget papirfilm til at ligge ovenpå en lcd gladplade, for at tage de værste genskin?
LE850N har allerede en plastifilm klistert over hele fronten af glasset, som også danner den sorte ramme.
Der er kun et par millimeter rundt om den sorte ramme som ikke har en film klistert på. Men selve skærmen og den sorte ramme har en film der dækker fronten.

Jeg er heller ikke sikker på om fronten er lavet af rigtig glas, elle om det er pelixglas. Det virkede ikke som rigtigt glas når man bankede på det, og der var heller ikke koldt når man satte hånden på som glas normalt er. Men TV har måske varmet det op.

Men den film som dækker hele fronten er jeg heller ikke sikker på hvor følsomt den er over for ridser. Det må være noget mere sart en glas.


Et flot TV, men jeg synes dog der var rigtig meget genskær i skærmen, noget som generer mig meget. Men der er slevfølgelig også noget mere lys i en butik end en normal stue, men alligevel.
Det er tydeligt at den ikke har samme antirefleks-behandlig som B&O, men jeg ved at den antirefleks-behandlig som B&O køber til deres frontglas koster flere tusinde kroner, så det er ikke noget man kommer til at se på LG.
MAn kan sagten dæmpe genskin i et frontglas, men hvis der stadig skal komme meget lys igennem fra panelet, så er det meget dyrt at gøre. Desuden skal frontglasset antirefleks-behandles på både for- og bagside, da lys reflekteres på alle overflader.

Billedkvaliteten kan være nok så god, men hvis de er reflekser i skærmen bliver det hele ødelagt. Så hellere et dårligere billede uden for meget genskin.
Jeg tror stadig jeg foretrækker en skærm uden frontglas med meget svage refleksioner i stedet for et noget smartere LG design med frontglas.
Heldigvis har jeg ingen vinduer i stuen, som bliver reflekteret direkte i skærmen. Man indretter vel sin stue og sætter skærmen efter hvor vinduerne er placeret. Men det er nu ikke altid praktisk muligt at undgå vinduer der reflekteres i skærmen.
Af Gaco
#99089
KristofferA skrev:Flere anmeldelser af skærmen:
Video review:
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tv ... 39p,00.htm

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/ ... umnArea2.0

Tekst.
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tv ... 2-3,00.htm
Interessant nok nævner de i videoen at fjernsynet afspiler MKV, men dette kunne Rasmus ikke få det til. Gad vide om der er en grundlæggende forskel på asiatisk og europæisk model eller måske bare et spørgsmål om firmware (og at Rasmus fik en tidlig model)? I lyset af de manglende THX muligheder som Rasmus også manglede kunne der være håb for at det sidstnævnte er tilfældet :)
Af therunemeister
#99096
LG fjernsyn kan godt afspille .MKV. Jeg læste det som at Rasmus ikke kunne få det til at fungere over wifi (DLNA). Det virker upåklageligt på mit LG PS8000 via USB.
Af Gaco
#99097
therunemeister skrev:LG fjernsyn kan godt afspille .MKV. Jeg læste det som at Rasmus ikke kunne få det til at fungere over wifi (DLNA). Det virker upåklageligt på mit LG PS8000 via USB.
Ja, da han skriver at det ikke virker er det under afsnittet om DLNA, men senere under USB skriver han også:

"Mht. video så fik jeg skærmen til at æde de samme formater som over DLNA."

Jeg forstår det sådan at TV'et aldrig kom til at afspille MKV på nogen måde. Men det kan være Rasmus selv kan komme på banen og afklare det én gang for alle? :)
Af therunemeister
#99098
Skulle være mærkeligt at en specifik LG model skulle bruge en anden indbygget player end de andre...but who knows...
Af Gaco
#99100
therunemeister skrev:Skulle være mærkeligt at en specifik LG model skulle bruge en anden indbygget player end de andre...but who knows...
Dit fjernsyn er fra en forrig generation, så jeg tror ikke man kan antage at det er det samme software der ligger i dem. Men jeg tror da også mest på at Rasmus har leget med en tidlig preview model og at det endelig produkt godt kan mkv :)
Af Bryann
#99359
KristofferA skrev:Hvor ofte vil man bemærke de der LED bånd i løbet af en normal film?
Du mener ikke det kan være en dealbreaker Rasmus? :(

Har netop anskaffet mit LE850 og de der bånd som Rasmus taler om er virkelig, virkelig svære at se.

Lagde en smule mærke til dem i butikken, men har endnu ikke set dem på mit eget TV - Men har dog også kun stået her i et par timer :D
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